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lemmy caution
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The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread.
      #138252 - 07/30/08 04:55 AM

I had an idea a while ago to help promote interest in Asian horror and other cult films on the board by running a twice weekly series of image filled reviews of Asian zombie films that also included information on how to obtain them legally. So far its been very successful and has given me the idea for this thread as a way of helping with this goal.

This thread is a Q&A for anything and everything regarding Asian film. I will try my best to answer any questions and if I cant hopefully someone else on the board will. This Q&A is all encompassing, here are some examples of possible question:

-Information about a specific film, genre or actor.

-The lowdown about DVD labels and domestic or import sites.

-Questions about imported DVD’s and what you need to know.

-Any cultural questions/mysteries that seem to have you stumped.

-Question about Asian film history.

-Need to find quality reviews for BLANK type of film.

This thread applies to just about everything. Have a question about Asian film of the non horror or exploitation kind, those are just fine as well.

I will try to have this thread made into a sticky by one of the board moderators. UZUAMKI hasn’t posted in around two years, but otherwise he is still the official Asian forum moderator.

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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: lemmy caution]
      #138256 - 07/30/08 07:04 PM

Why do asian vampires hop around like bunnies? I don't care what culture you are from, that's just silly

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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: EdgarAllen]
      #138261 - 07/31/08 02:16 AM

"Why do asian vampires hop around like bunnies? I don't care what culture you are from, that's just silly"


Simple answer: They are animated by their last breath being caught inside of their bodies which causes them to hop.


More detailed answer: This particular kind of Chinese ghoul originates from the folk beliefs of the Xiangxi prefecture in Hunan and was first recorded in a compilation of wide ranging Chinese regional tales of the supernatural entitled Strange Stories From A Chinese Studio compiled in the mid 1670's to early 1700's.

The basic gist of the belief is that when people from Xiangxi died while away from home in some other region, they became troubled ghosts who could not find rest until they were returned to their homes and it was believed that Taoist priests had the ability to direct and safely transport the dead. These priests are sometimes refereed to as Corpse Wranglers.

The dead in this case don’t fit typical western supernatural definitions. Its similar to the way that there are six distinct Japanese supernatural creatures that could be labeled as a kind of Vampire although they range from a shape changing cat to a creature from the black lagoon-ish aquatic version. They are vampires in that they drink blood and are dead humans who are reanimated. But some of their other characteristics are that they can exist in daylight, hunt by smelling human breath and the distinctive hopping. The reason that they hop is due to what reanimates them in the first place, which is air (or rather their last breath while alive) trapped in their bodies.

For more information on the differences between Western and Eastern versions of vampires there are several films that deal with the subject, the best of which is Vampire Vs. Vampire which centers around Lam Ching Ying in his Taoist Priest role, who comes up against a Count Dracula style western vampire.

These folk tales became popular again in the 1920's when a gang of drug smugglers used the stories to traffic drugs through Nationalist checkpoints. They procured one or two corpses which they stuffed with drugs. Then they would dress the two as well as two living smugglers up in Ching court robes, which is the stereotypical dress that hopping vampires are depicted in. After that they had two flat, black metal bars which they strung under the arms of the corpses and attached to the shoulders of the smugglers at the front and back. They would then approach a checkpoint in the middle of the night with another smuggler in a Taoist robe warning people to stay away or have bad luck.

The cinematic popularity of hopping vampires stems from possible two sources. Firstly its possible the stories from the 1920's and the fact that Xiangxi is fairly close to Hong Kong’s home provence of Guangdong could have had some effect. More likely they were taken from Strange Stories From A Chinese Studio which has been a very popular source for TV and movie ideas throughout Hong Kong cinema including films such as A Chinese Ghost Story, Mr. Vampire and Painted Skin to name but a few.

The first Hong Kong films involving vampires were as best as I can tell from the late 1950's and were coming out of the Cantonese film industry. They were typically comedies and or mysteries and played out like one big Scooby Doo episode, in that someone was using the folk tales to scare others for some reason. Later on more serious depictions of hopping vampires surfaced in the late 1960's and it became a popular subject for the Hong Kong horror boom of the early 1980's to early 90's.

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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: lemmy caution]
      #138329 - 08/02/08 08:28 AM

Awesomely informative and in-depth work, my dear Lemmy!! I'll try to think of a question for later...

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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: Dr Peligro]
      #138351 - 08/02/08 08:24 PM

Good god, dude, I thought I was a bit of a professional geek, and I usually win movie trivia in my circle of friends. But you're back to the 1600's, that's just off the charts. I humbly submit my geek crown to you.

I still think bunny hopping Asian vampires are insanely hilarious, however it does make me feel better, and a bit humbled, to know there is some actual basis for the creation of this into video form (whereas my initial reaction was did they just make this shit up when they were high?). I am a bit more familiar with Asian action and anime than I am with horror, but admit I am pretty much a novice when it comes to most of it. But as someone once said we learn by doing.

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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: EdgarAllen]
      #138360 - 08/02/08 09:04 PM

In terms of horror, almost all HK horror films seem to reference Strange Stories From A Chinese Studio, either in passing or directly so knowing a little about it can really help you with some otherwise unfamiliar subject matter. Bellow is a link to a eight of the stories, just go to the bottom of the page. The Magic Sword is the one A Chinese Ghost Story is based upon. I’ll also post a link to a review/overview of the most common English translation of the book. If you want to check it out, I’m sure its online somewhere, otherwise you can pick up a translated version of it in the US for about $25.

http://www.illuminatedlantern.com/cinema/archives/category_translations.php

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/7207/GilesTOC.htm


It was a good question, a lot of people seem to be wondering about the hopping. Also, I’m looking forward to that question Dr., hopefully I’ll either know the answer to be able to research it.

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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: lemmy caution]
      #138366 - 08/03/08 04:10 AM

I just realized that the second link also has the entire text of the translation, just click under the index.

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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: lemmy caution]
      #138445 - 08/06/08 04:26 PM

I have sort of a question... Would you be able to shed some light on the topic of gential pixelation/fogging/etc. laws in Japan? Maybe describe the history of it, the state its currently in, etc.

The topic has been bugging me for a while, because I've been watching lots of video mixtapes lately (Retard-O-Tron, Mongoloid the Movie, Crazy Dave Tape, that sorta thing) and they're quite fond of including clips from weird-ass Japanese fetish/scat porn... And I've noticed thing like, they'll pixel out the vagina itself but leave the asshole perfectly visible, etc....

Also, I heard they couldn't show pubes... Yet sometimes you see plenty of pubes yet they fog-out the actual cuntslit.

Its all very confusing!!!!!!!

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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: Dr Peligro]
      #138446 - 08/06/08 04:28 PM

By the way... Yes, that question was meant to be silly and ridiculous... 'cause that's just the kind of guy I am
I'd still like to know fo' real, tho!

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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: Dr Peligro]
      #138447 - 08/06/08 06:23 PM

For a general description of Japanese censorship, here is a Q&A from the Seldom asked questions about Japan Q&A:

"Q. I've been to Japan a number of times, and have grown curious; why is there censorship of genitals in adult entertainment? - Question submitted by Douglas Hardy

A. Japanese censorship has a long, strange history and even when you understand it, it still doesn't quite make sense. The infamous Japanese mosaic on Japanese porno movies and girlie magazines is a way to get around Japan's obscenity law, Article 175 or the Criminal Code. It dates back to 1907 and stipulates that "anyone found guilty of distributing, selling or displaying in public obscene literature, pictures, or other items" will be subject to a prison term of up to two years or a very stiff fine. Although it is very clear about the punishment, it is not so specific about the crime. As is the case with many obscenity statutes, there is no definition of what exactly constitutes 'obscene' and since the law was passed, Japanese pornography has gone through various stages. At times has been censored quite strictly, and sometimes not at all, depending on public attitudes and who was in power politically. During the 1950s, censorship was quite strict, but art books with shunga (literally 'pictures of spring; erotic prints painted by famous Japanese artists like Hokusai or Utagawa), were allowed if the genitalia were covered over. Allowing shunga to be published set a precedent of sorts, and pornography from the West began to be imported in the 1970s. The customs office in Yokohama set up a special department which was full of people busily blacking out genitalia. Since it was okay to sell Western porn, Japanese entrepreneurs realized that they could probably produce domestic pornography as well, as long as they censored it the same way that Western movies and magazines were.
The most recent developments in the censorship battle are "hair nude" photos and "thin mosaics". Hair nude photos are pictures which depict pubic hair without any mosaic or other covering. A magazine called Shukan Bunshun published a series of artistic nude photographs, and when it was ruled that pubic hair was okay as long as it had "highly artistic content", this opened the door pretty much anyone to print whatever they wanted and claim that it was art. Computer technology has led to smaller and small mosaics, because sophisticated software makes it less time-consuming to cover up the genitalia. Non-mosaic versions of Japanese pornographic films and photos that were smuggled out before being censored are now widely available on the internet, making Japan's censorship practices even more meaningless."

http://www.quirkyjapan.or.tv/saq.html

At the same time that does not cover the question of the asshole(friendly pun ). But at the same time I do have a theory. It seems that the interpretation by the Japanese supreme court of ideas of indecency in film and other media is far more concerned with genitals then the anus and have ruled as such. Most Japanese films that feature genitals usually wear a piece of cloth or a kind of putty over them, for a western example of this see The Toxic Avenger Part 2 in which a Japanese actress wears one of these coverings during location filming in Japan, but unlike Japanese films the region is not pixilated. So most pixilation is in fact covering the genital covering. The anus is not required to be seasoned so they don’t.

Its still hard to say why the anus is okay. At the same time it appears the pubic hair was more permissible in the past, and you can find eighteenth and nineteenth century Japanese erotic woodcuts showing pubes.

So it comes down to why the anus is okay. I have read in the past that in Japanese culture does not consider the anus a sex organ (I know, what a sad backward people) in a similar way that bare breasts are traditionally less sexualized then in the other parts of Asia and the West. Hopefully that answer is close enough to the mark.

For more information about the history of Japanese censorship in film and other arts see the link bellow, it also talks about the role of the Pinky genre in changing perceptions of the law.

http://es.geocities.com/eiga9/articulos/obscenity.html

Edited by lemmy caution (08/06/08 06:38 PM)


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Re: The Big ASIAN FILM Q&A thread. [Re: lemmy caution]
      #138450 - 08/06/08 07:03 PM

Nicely done sir!

"I have read in the past that in Japanese culture does not consider the anus a sex organ (I know, what a sad backward people)..."


Man, they find tentacles and dirty panties arousing, but not good ol' anusses... What the hell is wrong with the Japanese?

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