DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Man, was I wrong. Today I tried to play Turok and it froze 3 times within the first 10 minutes of the game. I thought it may have been caused by a defective disc so I tried others. Skate, Halo 3, Guitar Hero 3 and several other games froze pretty much instantly as well. The 360 is a piece of shit, it really is the worst console ever. It's a shame too, there are so many great games for it and the non gaming features are pretty nice too. I don't understand why it's still selling so well when every person that I know "with the exception of one guy who bought his console at launch" has experienced XBox 360 death at least once. I've sent this thing to Microsoft and had it repaired/replaced 2 times and both times I've had the same results. I'm done with it. I own a 360 console, 2 controllers, 2 battery packs, a usb charger cable, 2 guitar controllers and about 25 games. By my estimate Microsoft owes me somewhere in the neighborhood of $1,800.00, that doesn't include the $150.00 or so I've spent on Microsoft Points. They really should have to refund every penny I've WASTED on their piece of shit console, but we all know that ain't gonna happen. I guess I'll send the steaming pile of shit back to them one more time just so I can sell it immediately after it's returned to me. A lot of it is my own fault, I should've stopped spending money on it long ago. I hear that the elite "black" consoles do not have this problem so my question is this. Why doesn't Microsoft replace these defective consoles with the newer models? I don't give a shit about the 100gb hdd, they can keep it. The smaller hdd I already have is good enough for me, My computer has around 150 gb of storage, I don't need another 100 gb on my Xbox. I know that this ain't gonna happen either, but something's got to be done about this. People are getting ripped off by Microsoft and it's like nobody gives a damn. Is there a class action law suit or anything? Is there any way that I can get at least some of the money I've wasted back? It's ridiculous that Microsoft can knowingly sell a defective product and get away with it. It's not like the 360 costs 20 bucks and can easily be replaced every couple of weeks. I'm sure if LG "just for arguments sake" was selling a tv that was known to be defective that something would be done about it, so why is it cool for Microsoft to continue selling the XBox 360 when it is widely proven to be defective?
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Misfit
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It's a shame such issues still exist.. I know it's a pain but you already spent money on it, I'd take the hard drive off, get on the phone with them and demand no repairs, you want a whole new system.
Press on their issues are getting more and more widespread, one thing they want now is to do as much damage control as possible.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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They have already sent me 2 new systems. The first lasted a week, and this one has been going for a little over a month. The one I initially bought lasted almost a year. I'm on my third 360 right now and so far they've all screwed up. I've tried to get them to give me a black one but they won't. This is fucking ridiculous. I don't think I'll be buying anything Microsoft releases for a LONG time. Speaking of Microsoft products, a friend of mine bought a Zune player and it's a piece of shit too. The Zune software "which is much like itunes" is probably the worst software of its kind, the FM transmitter for your car is THE WORST FM TRANSMITTER EVER MADE, and putting videos on the Zune player is almost impossible because it doesn't recognize any video format except .wmv. Microsoft is just as bad as Sony. Don't get what I said twisted up or anything, they will replace your broken 360, but the problem is the replacement systems are garbage too. You'll be constantly shipping an Xbox 360 back and forth for replacement or repairs. You'd think that instead of spending all this money on shipping broken consoles back and forth they'd just upgrade you to the elite system and cut their losses. The problem I'm having is not my fault, everything I own is pampered and taken extremely good care of. Just for example, I drive a 7 year old vehicle that doesn't have a scratch on it, and I've had the same dvd player since dvds were new technology, so this Xbox problem isn't from abuse or anything. They are just made poorly and they're subject to hardware failure. I am beyond pissed off with this entire Xbox 360 situation, and I'm not the only one. Internet message boards are full of people with the exact same problem I'm having. They want you to believe the problem has been fixed when in fact it's no better at all. Some of the people from the call center are on a first name basis with me at this point. I don't come to horrorspeak to bitch about this problem. I'm warning you guys not to spend your money on this shit. In a month or so I'll be coming into a substantial bit of money so I think I'll just upgrade to PC.
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Misfit
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Reged: 10/24/00
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Well, we know how I feel about the whole PC thing.
The issue with the 360 and the PS3 both is they are trying to be a PC while still calling themselves a console. Games now do installs, they have a full underlying OS, the parts inside are nothing more than CPU's and GPU's found in any common PC(well, about 3 years ago.. Mac has stopped using the PowerPC cpu's used in the 360 and Wii in favor of Intels new offerings.. and the video chipsets in the PS3 ans 360 are basically on level with a Geforce 7800).
I know PC's still have problems and need to be maintained, but the cost is not longer that big ($800 for a top of the line gaming system) considering what a PS3 costs and the fact PC will do so much more.
PC's still have a ways to go to be for everyone on the gaming front, but they are getting closer.
1) Newer video cards offer HDMI so hooking up to an HDTV in the living room becomes more doable
2) MS has pushed for 360 controller support on PC, so many of the games will play just like they do on 360 with the controller in hand
of course, mouse+keyboard which is my preferred control still is not something that works well from the couch (though I have used a gyroscopic mouse that kind of worked out..).
I think my biggest love for it is, every part I put in it was chosen by me, I know it's quality.. most parts have a lifetime warrenty, others have a minimum of 3-5 years. I tend to order from newegg which does no questions asked replacements for 1 year on every part.. so if something goes bad, I'm usually back up in just a days (well I'm up in a few minutes because I always keep spare parts around in case one goes bad).
I love consoles but I've really faded in my love for them since they started mimicking PC so closely (I mean it used to be consoles were all about the console games, lately every major game is a PC franchise (Call of Duty, Bioshock, Oblivion, Orange Box).
I had a 360 in the house for a long time but we moved and it was my Roomies. I was really about to get one of my own but I'm holding off until I know the issues are fixed.. DMC4 is coming to PC so I may just get it there and use the 360 controller to play it.. PS3 is still something I just can not get behind.. They were the problem child with breakdowns last gen but it seems MS decided to see if the 50% of them break thing helps their sales like it did the PS2.. When PS3 first launched I heard a lot of failure stories but I really don't hear that much now, seems they at least got the act together.
it is rather sad being MS has had 2 years in the market to find these issues and kill them.
I personally think it's the anti-piracy thats doing it, the entire reason the towell trick works,is because you overheat the system to the point that it kills your control chip, so it can no longer claim there is a problem which means no Red ring.. I think that controller just goes back and that is the entire issue.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
Posts: 1211
Loc: West Virginia
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I've been on the phone with the call center "1-800-4MYXBOX" 4 times this evening. So far I've been hung up on three times and put on hold for a half hour once. I'm not being an asshole or anything, they just don't want to help me. By the way, does Microsoft have any employees that speak English? I swear to god, I'm about to catch a plane just so I can knock one these fucker's teeth out. At this point it would be worth the money and the jail time. I have had enough of this bullshit. All I want is a working XBox 360, but apparently they don't make any. Microsoft is worse than Sony. At least Sony is up front about fucking you over...
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Get this, right after I entered my last post the call center called me. It seems that my Xbox is already being repaired right now. How the hell can it be there when it's sitting on my desk in plain view? I can reach over and touch it. I am currently on hold AGAIN. These people are fucking ignorant...
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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Okay, here goes. My first console which was repaired in September of 2007 was still showing up on their active repairs list for some reason. They didn't even have record of sending me either of the two replacement consoles that I've already been through since that point. My representative Ronald, "Do people in India name their sons Ronald?" informed me "from what I could understand" that they were going to strike all previous repairs from my record, which doesn't sound good. I will recieve ANOTHER pre paid box to return ANOTHER fucked up console in, and I will be rewarded for this action with ANOTHER replacement console. I asked about my Live Arcade Games because anyone in the know will tell you that when they send you a new console your old arcade games won't work unless you're logged into XBox Live for whatever reason. He informed me AGAIN that I can re download them for free "because I don't already fucking know that". I explained to him about only being able to play old arcade games while you're logged onto Xbox Live and I swear I could hear his brain skip like a scratched cd. Here's the sweetest part of the deal, they are going to send me ANOTHER free one month Live Gold Membership Card "this will be my third". WOW, I'm not sure I deserve such an amazing present. I can't believe they are going to give me something that I already have and can't use because their consoles are fucking garbage, how nice of them. How about some Microsoft Points to replace the 15 Live Arcade Games that I can no longer play unless I'm logged into XBox Live? Anyways, I already know that the replacement system they'll send will fuck up in a matter of hours. It is a circle of retardation that there is no escape from, kind of like a polygonal hell of sorts. I really hope my next 360 doesn't freeze constantly. Ahh, what are the odds of three in a row freezing? I'm sure this one will get the Red Ring Of Death. I haven't experienced that in a while. Thanks Microsoft, you're the best...
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Tony Soprano
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Reged: 02/23/01
Posts: 1949
Loc: Canada
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I have an XBox 360 and have experienced nothing but joy from it. All my buddies have one and they have experienced no problems. What you need is a good, solid Canadian version. Guaranteed to be gold.
Sorry you are having so much problems with the 360.
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HAMMERoftheGODS
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Reged: 06/19/07
Posts: 255
Loc: CA
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The only console I've ever had trouble with when it should have been in peak condition was the PS2. Within the first six months of my buying it, it froze on me while playing an NBA game. Restarted it and nothing worked. Just kept getting the Disc Read Error, the error message that so few people ever mention. Like Sony has never had console issues before. Anyway, had to send it to Sony and $60 later, I get a new PS2. Within a couple months, this one starts making an awful grinding and clicking noise. Would only work sporadically. So I decided to shit on the warranty and opened that bitch up and with some help from the internet, somewhat fixed it. The disc tray wouldn't line up with the laser properly or something. To this day it still doesn't run like it should, but it does work. And it wasn't like I didn't treat this things properly. They were in well ventilated spots. I didn't hit them or anything (my controllers were not as lucky on some occasions). These should have worked fine.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
Posts: 1211
Loc: West Virginia
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Buddy at this point I'm totally fed up with it. The people at the call center are jack offs. They can barely speak english, have no idea about the console they are offering tech support to and Microsoft doesn't give a shit about the problem. I have come to terms with the fact that I'll be shipping defective 360s back and forth until the end of days. There are two upsides to it. 1. The fact that I'll get a 1 year warranty with every new console they send me, I'll have a 360 that's under warranty forever. 2. I'll get a free one month xbox live gold membership card everytime I send a console to them, I'll have free xbox live forever. Maybe I'll get lucky with the next one, who knows? I do know this, the fuckers have screwed me out of a lot of money so I'll play this retarded little game with them forever if I have to. I WILL get a 360 that works properly if its the last thing I do. Do you hear me Microsoft? I will not be denied!!!
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Misfit
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Reged: 10/24/00
Posts: 4815
Loc: Stuarts Draft,VA
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that is the attitude.
I know the failure rate is fairly high, some people say as high as 30%, I think you just have the bad luck and have to hit that 70% one of these days.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
Posts: 1211
Loc: West Virginia
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From my experience the failure rate is closer to 90 or maybe even 95%. I only know one person who owns a 360 who hasn't had any problems with it. Maybe they ship most of the defective ones to this part of the country. It sure seems like it anyway...
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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Well, I just put my latest injured 360 on the ups ambulance an hour or so ago. I've become a little numb to the experience, and it's hard to say how many more times I'll have to go through it. It's a good thing I don't have to pay for the shipping because I'd be out at least 75 bucks at this point.
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fedor
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Reged: 08/14/02
Posts: 205
Loc: Lancaster PA
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Sorry to hear about your continuing problems with the 360 Doktur. I tried your prior advice, and unfortunately the 360 I have was registered with a prior owner. I still have faith in microsoft, and while I would love to move to PC only gaming, as Misfit has made abunduntly clear is a safer route. There are still certain games that only come out on consoles i.e.-Metal gear solid, Mass Effect, etc etc. It's a very thin line that consoles are running right now, and they need to get their shit in gear so as not to be overtaken by PC's in the long run.
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Misfit
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Yea, games like Mass Effect never come to PC.. except that it is and in a much superior version.
Dude Mass Effect is made by Bioware who is a hardcore PC games company (Balders Gate 1+2, Neverwinter Nights, etc), they Have taken MS's money to provide games for their systems but always make a better version on PC (true for every game so far (KOTOR 1+2, Jade Empire), and Dragon Age(their next game) is being designed specifically for PC and not 360 or PS3.
PC got all of the previous MGS games except 3, Konami has already discussed they will likely bring 4 to PC as well (Konami and Capcom used to have Shakey PC support but lately Nvidia and Intel have been paying for quality ports resulting in much superior versions of games like Devil May Cry 4, Assassins Creed, Lost Planet, etc).
Xbox 360 gamepads now work instantly with the games on the PC (can hook a wired controller right to the PC, and can get a cheap receiver for the wireless models).
But that being said PC is not a console replacement, it's just something you need and a minimal cost can make that which you NEED able to play games well. so a really good video card is $150, a motherboard and cpu another $150, memory about $50, $350 seem like a lot to spend ever 5 years on gaming?
If you want to play both Mass Effect and MGS4 (unless things change) you need an Xbox 360 and a PS3 ($500+400=$900) (for $900 I can build a Quadcore with a top of the line video card that is roughly twice as powerful as a 360).
the investment to keep them current is so minimal these days, pricing dropping monthly. It's not a replacement, it's just a better way to play MOST games (I would buy every first person shooter on PC personally.. most last forever with the flow of free content)
I love consoles and fully intend to own my own 360, I'm just waiting for them to get their shit together, and I seriously have not missed anything, every game I wanted comes to PC, maybe some come too late(Gears of War took 6 months, Dead rising will be over a year when it finally comes), Mass Effect is expected to be about 2-3 months later than the 360 release.
but it's worth waiting for the extra content and superior..everything.
There will be 360 games I can't play on PC and will play on 360, but they are not here yet (Ninja Gaiden 2, Resident Evil 5), single player experiences I don't mind waiting to play (waiting for the RROD to be a thing of the past)
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fedor
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Reged: 08/14/02
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Loc: Lancaster PA
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Didn't realize Mass Effect was coming to pc. Sorry dude.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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Sorry fedor, I honestly thought it would work. I have witnessed people "including myself" do it, and just assumed it would work for you. But hey, at least you tried. Had it worked it would've been pretty sweet. There are a couple more things you could try though, if you can figure out the name it's registered under you can definitely get the replacement. I don't know exactly how you'd go about doing this, but I'm sure if you get creative you can find out. The internet is pretty useful at times. You could contact the repair center and inform them that you bought the console used from Babbages, EB, Gamestop or any other credible place where used consoles are sold. You could get lucky. I wouldn't give up on it yet if I were you, god knows you'll have a pretty nice feeling of satisfaction when and if you stick it to the assholes. I'm totally on your side and hope you ultimately get your console replaced free of charge...
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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UPS called this evening to inform me that they are delivering my 4th 360 "3rd replacement console" sometime tuesday afternoon. I'll let you guys know if it works this time, but to be honest I'm not counting on it. I plan on putting Skate into the console immediately because it freezes so often that the title screen won't even load half the time. If I can play Skate for 20 minutes without lock up I'll consider my console to be 100% repaired.
I'm only posting about this to help open the eyes of people who may be interested in purchasing a 360. What Microsoft is doing is flat out wrong, and something needs to be done about it. The problems that I've endured with Microsoft are not an isolated case, in fact it's a widespread problem. People should boycott this console until the hardware failures are thoroughly corrected. I don't hate the 360 in any way, actually it's my console of choice. If the 360 console worked properly I'd advise any video game fan to buy one as soon as possible...
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Misfit
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Reged: 10/24/00
Posts: 4815
Loc: Stuarts Draft,VA
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Man I know it's frustrating, my fingers are crossed you have good luck this time, they claim the newer models have a very low failure rate so here is hoping you actually get one (apparently the elite brought in the first chain of motherboards with a higher quality built and set in to avoid warping issues that cause the RROD.
Hope it's true.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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My new console arrived about two hours ago and it freezes too. It's not as bad as the last one as of now, but it freezes all the same. Obviously 360s are meant to lock up and be unplayable. It must be part of their design. I can use it to play dvds, but at $400.00 it's a pretty expensive dvd player...
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Misfit
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Loc: Stuarts Draft,VA
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Damn, is it every game or just a specific one?
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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Older games like Dead Rising and Test Drive Unlimited work fine. Any game from the past year or so freezes...
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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A friend has been playing it while I was out mowing the lawn, and he said it froze once in the past hour of playing Turok. If it's only going to happen every hour or so I guess I'll live with it. I'll just have to play auto save games or make manual saves often. Oh well, I guess I'll consider this a marginal victory. At least I can play games on this console...
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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I left the console with my friend at about 7 this morning and he played it all day while I ran errands. He said it didn't freeze once. This is a good sign, maybe my battle with Microsoft has finally come to an acceptable end. It sure was a pain in the ass, but I think it may be over now. I was ready to chuck the thing down the stairs until Misfit told me to be vigilant. Thanks man. Sometimes I let my emotions get to me, but I'm glad that I kept a somewhat cool head this time around...
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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@ fedor: I was wondering if you still have your broken 360 console. A friend of mine is interested in buying it if you wouldn't mind selling.
Just let me know if you're interested or if you're willing to get rid of it...
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Tony Soprano
Living Dead
Reged: 02/23/01
Posts: 1949
Loc: Canada
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I went to turn my 360 on this morning. E74 - red ring of death!!
This is a terrible day.
I miss it already.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
Posts: 1211
Loc: West Virginia
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I feel your pain, man.
Contact customer service for your cardboard coffin...AND NEW CONSOLE!!!
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Misfit
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Loc: Stuarts Draft,VA
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Quote:
I went to turn my 360 on this morning. E74 - red ring of death!!
This is a terrible day.
I miss it already.
the new low price is awesome and makes it an attractive console even in dealing with such headaches, but damn I keep hoping they will get that crap worked out.
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