edgein
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Reged: 11/13/99
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Loc: South, TX
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What if I magically made Ms. Kimi "Hammerfanatic" Davis reappear?
What if I said she has been a sham, I'm actually Hammerfanatic and several other high posters on this board...would you guys believe me? I might as well confess that I am in fact NOT HF...hah...but would you guys believe that if you combined all the posts from all the members I actually am....they would equal near 15,000 posts? If you researched hard enough...could you figure out who my alias's are? Am I bluffing? Does anyone remember any of the original discussions on this board before CT shamelessly deleted them soemtime in 01-02? There where clues of fraud I tell ya. Somethings where said...people where let go. Old HS lore...there is legend somewhere in this mess of posts. Once upon a time...before CT changed the kick ass cryptkeeper table of contents graphic on HoH. Back when he used to delete my posts on a regular occasion. Before there was the moderator forum where none of you guys could see me arguing with other moderators. Before the Euro-Fringe forum when bruce h treated everyone like ignorant junior members with diaper rash. Back when Grampa who hated European horror moderated...the European Horror forum...When Drive-In Nate ruled the exploitation forum. When Fallen Angel and Fenny where battling for post surpremecy only to be scolded by CT for unhorror related conversation. When CT used to boast about how this place would outlive them and all the other horror boards. When there was a trading forum. Before Matt Mc was a administrator and then left us in tormoil. Back when Scorpio gave us beautiful threads full of pictures of shirtless Hammer Horror babes. Before Mikey got the slasher forum crunk even if it was hap hazard teenager logic. We even had a forum dedicated to a single independent horror film...can anyone name it? When Blackest Heat MEdia was popular. When Kimberly was fun to talk to. When Flynn Sylabol Throat share book knowledge. We even had a writing forum where I purposfully wrote horrible writings just for reaction. so many...Shash, Blue, Stacy, Graves, Hellion, Sabata, Deadguy, Scary Larry, General Zod, Phoenix, NONNIE, Giallo Gore, Christophe_John, johnny Bubbles, Robert, Faust, Badfish, Peter Cushing, DivHour, Alfred PAcker, Murphy, N.Foster Tyler, GoatsHead, Haunter of the Dark, Gore Fan MP, MlleMOrte, Maybrick.....I suppose I'm nostaligic because about 2500 of my posts came before 2001 so they don't exsist anymore. I wish I could bring back all that old stuff, it would bring back memories. DVD was still kind of new, bootlegs where rampent. I traded with everyone. It was exciting. I can't get that back I suppose...but I can probably bring HF back. I think I can do that.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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I've had an account on horrorspeak "off and on" for going on a decade, does that make me an old timer? I remember the old site, and still don't understand why it was changed. On the fan fiction thread there was a zombie short where an old couple were in a cabin or house and the woman was dead but the man had covered the bullet wound in her head and kept her for company. The place was completely boarded up and surrounded by zombies. I think it also had something to do with a piano. I thought it was good, I guess that's why I've remembered it for almost 10 years. Once everything got deleted or changed I waited around for a long time to rejoin because my account didn't exist anymore " I was kinda pissed about it". I think there should be a fan fiction and music thread on horrorspeak, but that's just my opinion. Lots of people here are interested in writing, and the horror punk/death rock scene is seeing a pretty big comeback in recent years, that alone should justify a music thread. Other than that everything's fine with me. I can remember when I was about 19 I'd come to the forums here and totally bash all of the euro horror stuff. I thought I was something special. It took quite a while for me to realize that not everyone is the same. That's probably why they make so many different types of films in the first place huh? I still think that most euro horror is trash, it's just that I don't knock the people who like it anymore. I can remember being totally off my ass on every drug known to man while bitching about Lucio Fulci movies that I hadn't even seen. Good Times! I do think some of the moderators on the forums do a good job, Misfit keeps on top of pretty much everything that's related to his thread. Several of the other guys do a nice job too but I'm not going to name them all "I'm not much of an ass kisser". If CT would like to have a music thread I'd be happy to share my absurd amount of knowledge on the subject...
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MojoNexus
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Reged: 10/22/01
Posts: 1089
Loc: Manhattan, KS USA
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Sorry, methinks that was all before I popped my Horrorspeak cherry.
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The Creature
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Reged: 04/26/99
Posts: 2306
Loc: Tucson, AZ
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I remember all of that. Jesus Ed, I can't believe you remembered all of thos people. That's amazing. What a blast from the past.
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EdgarAllen
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Reged: 09/16/00
Posts: 1202
Loc: Star City
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Your memory really kicks ass. I'm ashamed to say I can't remember all of those people and events, although I do remember some of them. MattMC and Haunter of the Dark really stand out. So many to try and remember.... Messiah, Git, 42nd Freak, and countless others, I would have to search for days to remember most of them. I do remember some of the ignorant flame wars of the past (although not the names anymore).
A little applause for getting HF back in the fold, who else can you dig up out of the dirt?
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Misfit
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Loc: Stuarts Draft,VA
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Your memory really kicks ass. I'm ashamed to say I can't remember all of those people and events, although I do remember some of them. MattMC and Haunter of the Dark really stand out. So many to try and remember.... Messiah, Git, 42nd Freak, and countless others, I would have to search for days to remember most of them. I do remember some of the ignorant flame wars of the past (although not the names anymore).
A little applause for getting HF back in the fold, who else can you dig up out of the dirt?
Not a day goes by I don't think about that and have some serious regrets about how things went down. I personally would give anything to go back and make those wars never have happened.
I'll openly admit that 42nd street freak leaving is 100% my fault and it's a huge loss to the boards and a huge mistake on my part.
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EdgarAllen
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Not a day goes by I don't think about that and have some serious regrets about how things went down. I personally would give anything to go back and make those wars never have happened.
I'll openly admit that 42nd street freak leaving is 100% my fault and it's a huge loss to the boards and a huge mistake on my part.
Well, I didn't bring him up to open old wounds. But I would imagine you are being too hard on yourself Misfit (based on past experiences with both of you). It's true that 42nd was a damn fun poster and very knowledgeable. However, he didn't have the thickest skin or the most patience in the world either. I don't recall the specifics of his leaving this far down the line, but I thought he chose to leave Horrorspeak, not the other way around (apologizes to all if that's not correct). Anyway, none of us are perfect and the best we hope to do is learn from our perceived mistakes and move on.
Who knows, the ole English chap may drop by any day for a pint. Last I remember, he was very active on a neighboring horror board which has since closed its doors.
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Dr Peligro
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I remember 42nd Street's sock.........
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EdgarAllen
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I remember 42nd Street's sock.........
Ah, jeeze, I had forgotten until you mentioned it. Now I'm scarred all over again.
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"Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday."
-Psalms 91:5-6
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Tony Soprano
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Reged: 02/23/01
Posts: 1949
Loc: Canada
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Wow, this post almost makes me want to cry.
You can't go back to where you've been.... no matter how badly we want it.
Let's go back to when movies weren't a click and a torrent away. When you found a movie that you really wanted to see and it gave you shivers just to hold it. Let's go back to when we weren't spoiled, back to when I couldn't stream movies from my PC to my TV. Back to when we used to rush home to check HorrorSpeak and there would be tons of meaningful posts to read each and everyday. Let's go back to staying up late to catch a movie on TV. Let's go back to when movies made us happy.
Imagine edgein was Blackdeath. Remember that?
Remember when a rogue board went on a flame war with our good board. I remember logging in and the board was horriblly slow. It turned out that hundreds of posts were coming in from a rival board.
CT are you still out there?
Long live HorrorSpeak!!
Let's have a moment of silence for everything we've ever loved.
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CREEPMASTER
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Reged: 07/10/01
Posts: 3921
Loc: England
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Many great people used to claim this board as their home. Me included. Sadly we all seemed to skitter away. I pop back in for a look see now and again. I see some familiar members from way back like Tony S and Creature etc who have never left and a big credit must be given to those guys. But sadly this place dried up a long time ago
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
Posts: 1211
Loc: West Virginia
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This forum is still full of great people that have wonderful insight on the genre. Horrorspeak isn't what it once was but it's still the best horror forum around. I hold the opinions of a few people that still come around in pretty high regard, and I think it's awesome that people don't just come here to bitch back and forth anymore. In my opinion this place is becomming more of a tight knit community of fans rather than a place for people to start arguments. A lot of us have been around for quite some time and we've grown up a little over the years. Back in 2000 or so I'd come here just to make fun of the people who like euro horror, I don't do that anymore. I'm glad the arguments "for the most part" are over. Nowadays we mainly discuss upcoming movies and share questions about technology, and there's nothing wrong with that...
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Grampa
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Reged: 05/31/99
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Wow . . . all those names. Those were the days! I still stop by a couple of times a year, just to see who's still around. It's nice to see some familiar names, and surprising to be even mentioned in this thread. I'm very sorry to see that most of the posts from HorrorSpeak's most active years are all gone . . . that sucks. There were some excellent discussions that IMO should have been archived.
A couple of things before I go:
- I spent a couple of days with Sabata and Wilde_Fan (aka Milo) last Halloween; we hung out, drank beers, and watched a bunch of horror flicks. Good times.
- I cannot understand why edgein would ever state that I hated European Horror! I was obsessed with it, that's why I moderated the Euro Forum! I still love that stuff and keep my DVD shelf with a healthy stock of my favorite titles in the genre.
- Oh yeah, and the name of that independent movie that we had a forum dedicated to was The Dividing Hour (which I still haven't seen).
Can anyone clue me in on exactly what happened here? Did people just slowly drift away, or was it a fast decline? It seems like we went from 50-100 active topics a day to about 5-10.
Any other old timers out there? I miss you all.
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Misfit
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Posts: 4814
Loc: Stuarts Draft,VA
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I am pretty sure the worst part of it was a huge political argument that I contributed to the worst side in. I said some really stupid things to 42nd and it started a heated argument,I made it worse and worse and when I eventually saw that I had taken it too far, other parties had come in and made it that much worse, A few of the best people left not long after that and never returned and it was on a slow decline ever since.
If a political discussion takes place and you notice everyone shy away from it, that is why.
It's one of those moments you wish you could just go back in time and make it never have happened.
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maybrick
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Reged: 02/26/00
Posts: 1387
Loc: Eerie New England
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Can anyone clue me in on exactly what happened here? Did people just slowly drift away, or was it a fast decline? It seems like we went from 50-100 active topics a day to about 5-10.
Hi guys! I just wanted everyone to know that I still check in and glance at the forum every 6 months or so. I do remember and know exactly why and when people began drifting away, and it was when the format changed to the current incarnation. I understand the move was done to save money, but when you buy cheap, you get cheap, and in comparison to the old board, this one looks cheap with a Capital C. I stuck it out for a while but it when it became apparent that few people were coming back and days went by without any new posts I just sort of moved on with everybody else. I loved being a member of this site, but even now I still have problems with the new format. First off, I hate typing my post in this little box. It's a real strain on my aging eyes!
The old board had less functionality but it was pleasing to the eyes. This one may have more functionality, but it's flat out ugly. I could look past that, but it's obvious that a lot of members couldn't.
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EdgarAllen
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Reged: 09/16/00
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Loc: Star City
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There was an influx of some immature users that wanted to have flame wars. Kids that didn't have anything better to do I guess. They would hijack threads they knew nothing about just to stir the shit around. There wasn't enough consistent moderation/banning to keep that behavior in check. And when these users did participate, it was more along the lines of name your top five horror movies or Linnea Quigley jugs kick ass. Didn't take long for alot of the serious posters to give up or move to greener pastures. A few bad apples spoiled the barrel IMHO.
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Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday."
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
Posts: 1211
Loc: West Virginia
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Linnea Quigley's jugs did kick ass. You must admit that those are some beautiful knockers my friend. By the way, I'm voting for Clinton because of her viewpoint on universal health care, republicans are sadists and I'd like to know what YOUR top 5 horror movies are.
"Cautiously backs out of the room"
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Misfit
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Linnea Quigley's jugs did kick ass. You must admit that those are some beautiful knockers my friend. By the way, I'm voting for Clinton because of her viewpoint on universal health care, republicans are sadists and I'd like to know what YOUR top 5 horror movies are.
"Cautiously backs out of the room"
Haha, then you like me will be voting for someone who will not even be in the running at the time(though not the same person)
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Misfit, it's still too soon to predict who is going to obtain the democratic nomination. The news channels want you to believe that Clinton is pretty much out of it but that isn't true. She's won the last several primaries, and she has a huge lead on Obama in Pennsylvania. She can still pull it off. I'm not trying to spark a political conversation, I just wanted to share my opinion on the subject...
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maybrick
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Reged: 02/26/00
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Not true. Obama has won the last two contests, Mississippi and Wyoming, since the big March 4th primary day when Clinton finally broke Obama's long line of consecutive victories. Her margins of victories on the 4th were so small in fact, that with Mississippi and Wyoming, Obama effectively negated any advancement Clinton made that day.
The reason why Obama is ahead, isn't so much that he's won more states, it's that in the states he wins he wins by much larger margins. Clinton has only managed to get 60% of the vote in one state: Arkansas, but Obama does that regularly, sometimes even with more than 70%. Most often in the places where she wins, she barely breaks the 50th percentile.
See here, these are the state that the candidates won by more than 60%:
Clinton:
Arkansas 70%
Obama:
Mississippi 61%
Maryland 60%
Illinois 65%
Georgia 67%
D.C. 75%
Virginia 64%
Hawaii 76%
Wyoming 61%
Washington 68%
Nebraska 68%
Minnesota 66%
Alaska 75%
Idaho 79%
Kansas 74%
North Dakota 61%
Colorado 67%
Clinton has the lead in Pennsylvania, and she'll probably keep it. But their primary is still 3 weeks away and as voting day comes the statistics usually narrow. I know a lot of people have lost faith in her since "Snipergate". She can only clinch the nomination if she starts winning contests by Obama sized margins, and so far (as you can see from above) she appears incapable of doing so.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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Well, you seem to know your stuff, but there are super deligates that have yet to pick a side. Personally I don't think it matters which of them gets the nomination. With all the bickering back and forth in the democratic party I find it hard to believe that either of them will ultimately finish off McCain. I truly hope that I'm wrong about that, because if McCain wins the presidency I don't think much of anything will change. Change is what this country needs most right now, and I don't think McCain agrees with that. If he wins I think he'll be identical to Bush, and Bush is awful. Anyone who disagrees with that has either A. been in a coma for nearly 8 years or B. has suffered some type of severe blunt trauma to the head. And I'm done with the politics, thank you...
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Misfit
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Reged: 10/24/00
Posts: 4814
Loc: Stuarts Draft,VA
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Actually McCains voting record is identicle to Hillary's.
He certainly does not have a lot of fans in his own party.
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MojoNexus
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Reged: 10/22/01
Posts: 1089
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Misfit, I would suggest checking out http://thomas.loc.gov before making a claim that Hillary and McCain have identical voting records.
Yes, the GOP has been disappointed with McCain's repeated failure to toe the party line, but McCain is still a conservative through and through. He's always been pro-war with a fondness for 'bombing the hell out of them' according to several sources including his biography. He also has a reputation for being quick to judge and prone to fits of rage. Not exactly qualities I want in the man with his finger on the big red button. He is, however, anti-torture and with his past experiences as a P.O.W. that is totally understandable.
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Misfit
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Those qualities are not something I consider "Conservative"
When that term comes to mind, in what I support, I expect it to be.
Not spending money unless absolutely needed, Small Government with less interference with citizens lives, and War a part of the money issue, only when absolutely needed.
McCain is like Bush, a Neocon, not a conservative.
A Neocon is someone who laughs at Democrats for tax and spend, then do a borrow and spend instead.
The differences on issues of importance are minute.
Most Important page
He came in second to her in Lobbyist Payouts..
Her and Obama show why they have an interest in Healthcare
Guess everyone interest in their healthcare plans failed to read that you are fined for not paying for health insurance, not given it at a good price.
She and he have a close obligation to Big Oil
The poster for this years elections should be reflected by this
Whoever wins, we lose.
The GOP is not dissapointed in him, they put him there.. those like myself who have oldschool ideals of less government and less spending.. well it's not like we have had anything promising to choose from except maybe Ron Paul in the last 15 years or so. It's a sign of the times when a man starts talking like Thomas Jefferson and such words are treated like they are odd and kooky.
For a long time now we were ok with choosing from what we considered the lesser of two evils, but I think Bush has made that no longer good enough for a lot of people.. it's a real eye opener that all of these people are the same, if they did not suck up to the Federal Reserve they would not be a viable candidate, nothing will ever change with a two party system, they will just get better and better in convincing us that it will.
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MojoNexus
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I love the http://www.opensecrets.org/ site. Kudos to you, more folks need to visit it. I am a firm believer that you really need to ask the question "Who benefits?" when looking at the actions of any politician. Follow the dollar and you will find the truth.
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Misfit
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Absolutely, you have to ask yourself.
what kind of person spends their entire life savings, million upon millions for a job that pays what? $100k a year? Personally I know it's a bit kooky but I feel the Federal Reserve runs everything and makes all of the choices, you don't get to be viable without backing them.
I take that because in looking up the forming of the federal reserve it lead to the incoming tax coming about, if you research the income tax you will find that the paperwork was worded differently in every state, in most worded in a way that made it sound as if they were voting to keep the tax from happening. if even one word is different on any of the voted documents that means it is not legal, it was not legally passed by the states and they knew this, they just imposed it anyways.
You will find no laws on the books anywhere stating that you have to pay an income tax. Reagan had actually opened up an investigation on where the income tax money was going when he noticed a few billion dollars that could not be accounted for, a week into that investigation he said he wanted to get rid of the federal reserve, he was shot in the heart just days later (Bush Sr, member of the Federal Reserve). Noone has even so much as brought it up since.
My Belief is that both Republicans and Democrats are backed by the exact same people and all have the exact same objectives, and they focus on stupid and pointless topics that mindless americans are passionate about "Abortion, Gay Marriage" which the federal government should not be sticking their nose in, in the first place and that is just to get people behind them one way or the other and really their minds are taken off important things like.. Where the hell is all of our money going? Why do spend billions in Iraq and still allie with the people who attacked us? etc etc.
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DanielSavage
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The presidency pays more than $100,000 per year, the job got a nice salary spike when W. took office. There are a million other ways to make cash while in the office of president as well, and none of them are legal. In the big picture we need a leader who will help to straighten up the economy so people stop losing their homes, who will help to supply healthcare with ample coverage to those who need it and figure out how to get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan without contributing/starting WWIII. At this moment I'm infinitely more concerned with what's happening right here at home rather than the goings on in the middle east, I'd like a leader who feels the same way...
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Misfit
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it's actually $400,000, which is still peanuts compared to what is spent getting there. "The most recent raise in salary was approved by Congress and President Bill Clinton 1999- Wikipedia"
I'm all for people not losing their homes, but you are suggesting voting for people who have been outright taking them away from people (imminent domain).
I am all for Affordable healthcare, which is why the government needs to keep out of it, when I was born the bill to my parents was $20, Around the mid nineties government and HMO's began to stick their nose into healthcare more and more until the prices skyrocketed to an insane point.
I'm all for bringing the troops home, but Hillary was just as much a part of taking us there as Bush was, the reason I love Ron Paul is he is the only one talking about going beyond that and pulling out all of the money wasting bases that we have planting all over the planet.. (do we need bases in Germany still? Japan? France?)
Truth, you want anything to be more effective and cost less, get the government as far the fuck away from it as you can. My wife is an immigrant and I've been trying for the last year to get her permission to work, it's been 14 months for a supposed 3 month process, and all I can think about as every painful month in which she could be working and saving money, is what the hell would it be like if these incompetant fucks managed my healthcare.
I hope everyone is starting to look more favorably at third parties, I know I am.
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DanielSavage
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HMOs are the problem, and crooked politicians are in their pockets. Canada doesn't have a problem with their health care system and it's totally FREE to any citizen. U.S. citizens should have the same. People who are in pain and unable to work shouldn't have to rely on S.S.I. and Social Security or Medicare "which is a joke" and Medicaid "which is a bigger joke". The elderly, poor and sick in the United States are the ones who constantly get the shit end of the stick. People who have worked all their life deserve FREE medical coverage for any hospitalization/surgical needs and or medication. We are living in one of the most wealthy societies on the planet. We should take care of our own problems, and let the wealth of our society reflect on it's less fortunate. There is no excuse for people to go hungry and homeless or sick for that matter in the wealthiest society on earth. I personally don't give a damn who wins the presidency, none of the things I stated affect my life in any way. I have money for the things I need. I'm not extremely wealthy but I do alright for myself. I don't think I'm better than anyone, and I think every person in this country should have a roof over their head, food in their stomach and health coverage when they need it. I sympathize for your problems with your fiancee, my sister had a very similar problem a few years ago. This is the United States, the country was built on the backs of immigrants, anyone who wants to be here to better their lives deserves that opportunity...
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Misfit
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The sad thing is we need to shit or get off the pot. Most Americans oppose communism/socialism as do I, but the joke is on us as the government is already taking more money from us without it than countries with it (in China for example the people do not pay a dime in tax, it all comes from businesses). This is why I don't want another program,I want to kill all of the ones we have and start over.. I know there is a better way but we sure as hell need to find it and start from scratch.
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maybrick
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The sad thing is we need to shit or get off the pot. Most Americans oppose communism/socialism as do I, but the joke is on us as the government is already taking more money from us without it than countries with it (in China for example the people do not pay a dime in tax, it all comes from businesses). This is why I don't want another program,I want to kill all of the ones we have and start over.. I know there is a better way but we sure as hell need to find it and start from scratch.
I oppose communism, but not socialism. The thing is, when you remove control from the government, all you do is wind up placing it in the hands of big business, and that's actually a worse predicament to be in. At least with the government there are rules in place that protect us and we have a say with our vote. Not so with corporations. They can do whatever they want with zero input from us and get away with it, and in the few instances where they can't they have more than enough money to buy politicians off and change the rules.
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Misfit
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