DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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The presidency pays more than $100,000 per year, the job got a nice salary spike when W. took office. There are a million other ways to make cash while in the office of president as well, and none of them are legal. In the big picture we need a leader who will help to straighten up the economy so people stop losing their homes, who will help to supply healthcare with ample coverage to those who need it and figure out how to get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan without contributing/starting WWIII. At this moment I'm infinitely more concerned with what's happening right here at home rather than the goings on in the middle east, I'd like a leader who feels the same way...
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Misfit
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Loc: Stuarts Draft,VA
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it's actually $400,000, which is still peanuts compared to what is spent getting there. "The most recent raise in salary was approved by Congress and President Bill Clinton 1999- Wikipedia"
I'm all for people not losing their homes, but you are suggesting voting for people who have been outright taking them away from people (imminent domain).
I am all for Affordable healthcare, which is why the government needs to keep out of it, when I was born the bill to my parents was $20, Around the mid nineties government and HMO's began to stick their nose into healthcare more and more until the prices skyrocketed to an insane point.
I'm all for bringing the troops home, but Hillary was just as much a part of taking us there as Bush was, the reason I love Ron Paul is he is the only one talking about going beyond that and pulling out all of the money wasting bases that we have planting all over the planet.. (do we need bases in Germany still? Japan? France?)
Truth, you want anything to be more effective and cost less, get the government as far the fuck away from it as you can. My wife is an immigrant and I've been trying for the last year to get her permission to work, it's been 14 months for a supposed 3 month process, and all I can think about as every painful month in which she could be working and saving money, is what the hell would it be like if these incompetant fucks managed my healthcare.
I hope everyone is starting to look more favorably at third parties, I know I am.
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DanielSavage
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Reged: 09/25/03
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Loc: West Virginia
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HMOs are the problem, and crooked politicians are in their pockets. Canada doesn't have a problem with their health care system and it's totally FREE to any citizen. U.S. citizens should have the same. People who are in pain and unable to work shouldn't have to rely on S.S.I. and Social Security or Medicare "which is a joke" and Medicaid "which is a bigger joke". The elderly, poor and sick in the United States are the ones who constantly get the shit end of the stick. People who have worked all their life deserve FREE medical coverage for any hospitalization/surgical needs and or medication. We are living in one of the most wealthy societies on the planet. We should take care of our own problems, and let the wealth of our society reflect on it's less fortunate. There is no excuse for people to go hungry and homeless or sick for that matter in the wealthiest society on earth. I personally don't give a damn who wins the presidency, none of the things I stated affect my life in any way. I have money for the things I need. I'm not extremely wealthy but I do alright for myself. I don't think I'm better than anyone, and I think every person in this country should have a roof over their head, food in their stomach and health coverage when they need it. I sympathize for your problems with your fiancee, my sister had a very similar problem a few years ago. This is the United States, the country was built on the backs of immigrants, anyone who wants to be here to better their lives deserves that opportunity...
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Misfit
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Loc: Stuarts Draft,VA
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The sad thing is we need to shit or get off the pot. Most Americans oppose communism/socialism as do I, but the joke is on us as the government is already taking more money from us without it than countries with it (in China for example the people do not pay a dime in tax, it all comes from businesses). This is why I don't want another program,I want to kill all of the ones we have and start over.. I know there is a better way but we sure as hell need to find it and start from scratch.
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maybrick
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Reged: 02/26/00
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Loc: Eerie New England
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The sad thing is we need to shit or get off the pot. Most Americans oppose communism/socialism as do I, but the joke is on us as the government is already taking more money from us without it than countries with it (in China for example the people do not pay a dime in tax, it all comes from businesses). This is why I don't want another program,I want to kill all of the ones we have and start over.. I know there is a better way but we sure as hell need to find it and start from scratch.
I oppose communism, but not socialism. The thing is, when you remove control from the government, all you do is wind up placing it in the hands of big business, and that's actually a worse predicament to be in. At least with the government there are rules in place that protect us and we have a say with our vote. Not so with corporations. They can do whatever they want with zero input from us and get away with it, and in the few instances where they can't they have more than enough money to buy politicians off and change the rules.
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Misfit
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The sad thing is we need to shit or get off the pot. Most Americans oppose communism/socialism as do I, but the joke is on us as the government is already taking more money from us without it than countries with it (in China for example the people do not pay a dime in tax, it all comes from businesses). This is why I don't want another program,I want to kill all of the ones we have and start over.. I know there is a better way but we sure as hell need to find it and start from scratch.
I oppose communism, but not socialism. The thing is, when you remove control from the government, all you do is wind up placing it in the hands of big business, and that's actually a worse predicament to be in. At least with the government there are rules in place that protect us and we have a say with our vote. Not so with corporations. They can do whatever they want with zero input from us and get away with it, and in the few instances where they can't they have more than enough money to buy politicians off and change the rules.
Socialism really does not change that, government has more control in such situations and people with money still can buy the influence, that is just how it goes. Which is why I want less government and the power to go back to a state level instead of the federal level. At a Federal level only the richest and most well known stand a chance, but almost anyone has a shot at gaining power at the state level.
Socialism can work in most European Countries as most are the size of a US State, I am not opposed to such programs on a state level but would never stand for it happening on a federal level.
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Misfit
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"Hillary Clinton’s campaign currently owes vendors $8 million, exclusive of the $5 million she owes herself. She cannot use general election money to pay for this debt. If she begins to be anything less than certain that she will stay in up to the convention, she won’t raise any money and will be stuck with the debt. She also realizes that it is only by projecting an almost manic air of certainty that she has any chance at all of hanging onto super delegates. The first whiff they get of a withdrawal, they will all run screaming to Obama to get on the late train. Don’t think that Hillary is delusional. She knows she’s lost but she has no choice but to play the rest of the game. To fold now would leave her in an untenable situation." - Dick Morris
Let's go back to the pay rate of $400,000 a year.
She has spent $5,000,000 of her own money and owes much more now. If she won she would make $1,600,000 over the course of 4 years, and if she managed to get reelected that would mean she would be up to $3,200,000 in 8 years, still $1,800,000 shy of what she has already spent out of her own pockets not counting debts that have piled up.
It's not a picture of her I'm painting, it's just a portrait of what is wrong with the position today, why it can only be filled by greedy and corrupt people.
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MojoNexus
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Reged: 10/22/01
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Loc: Manhattan, KS USA
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"As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq. " - George W. Bush.
There are many people, at many levels, that can take their share of blame for the Iraq invasion and it's subsequent disaster, including the American people. However the buck stops at the desk of the President of the United States. Idiot or puppet, it matters not. If you really want the answer to why we entered in to voluntarily war with a country that posed no real imminent threat to us, go back to my previous post and ask your self, "Who benefits?" Follow the dollar. Thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died to create profit margin for those 2% elite that George W. Bush calls 'his base.'
This was in response to the statement, "I'm all for bringing the troops home, but Hillary was just as much a part of taking us there as Bush was..." 
Edited by MojoNexus (04/03/08 10:37 AM)
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maybrick
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Loc: Eerie New England
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Socialism really does not change that, government has more control in such situations and people with money still can buy the influence, that is just how it goes.
I understand that. All I'm saying is that removing the control mechanism (government) that keeps the free market in check isn't the answer. Most conservatives live under the fantasy that it is, but in reality it would be a recipe for disaster. True libertarianism is a nice idea, but humanity hasn't evolved to the point where it could ever work. It would take an entire society of saints, but capitalism by it's very nature promotes greed. All it would take is a single, fairly significant ecological disaster and civilization would collapse.
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Misfit
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I'm not suggesting removing government from everything, only on a federal level, it's just far too much for them to handle. Power should be on the states where it was intended to be from the beginning, this way everything you contribute is benefitting you locally, you have more control over your government, and what is right for one area may not be for another (California could go totally socialist and Mississippi could do something completely different)
I agree with you about libertarianism, it's good in theory only. I'm a member of the Constitution party.
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maybrick
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So what you're in essence suggesting is that we should dissolve The United States? Why do you hate America? Traitor!!! If we do that then the terrorists win! 
But seriously, you do bring up a point I haven't thought about before, at least on a conscious level. There are a lot of patriotic people in our country that love the "United States of America", only they're not quite so big on the "United" part. Is that some sort of paradox?
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Misfit
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lol no.
the intended design was that the federal government managed specific tasks, and the rest was really left up to the states. I mean that is the purpose of having a state government, but the Federal sector saw that if they want to take more money, they need to have more reasons so they began doing things they should not be doing and noone really questioned them.
The Federal government should always be there, just they should stick to the jobs designed for them and stop trying to reach their hands into so many buckets. it's inefficient and way too costly to have so many things handled on a federal level, whereas breaking up those tasks among 50 states is much easier to pull off.
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Kaj
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Reged: 04/04/08
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Part of me just says 'Let it go' but I felt compelled to reply in some manner.
As you may guess by the imaginative user name, this is Jak. I was a member back around '99 or so. I was still young and growing as a human being, and so my posts varied in quality to say the absolute least. Through it all I made some friends, one of which I still keep in contact with. The others have faded away; which is unfortunate but a necessary thing if you believe in Rebirth. I also began writing around 2001, it was decent and got some interesting responses, I then understood the difference between 'Want' and 'Need'. It was an interesting time.
From what I recall: I was banned due to making a sarcastic reply to John Wheatman (Caretaker) over having the Zombie forum taken away from me (I was a mod at the time) without any kind of advance notice or anything. It wasn't a horribly tacky and insulting reply like one from Nick Palumbo or anything. I was a little pissed, and I feel justifiably so. I then made one other subtle jab at John and then I was blocked.
I had re-registered under the user id Burnttoast in order to keep in contact with some of you guys... that and a bit of spite. At this point, my life had fallen to shit and I was living in well fare conditions; depression, boredom, and rage had over taken me. But I did not share this, coincidentally the very people whom I had wished to stay in contact with had drifted away or simply ignored my (friendly) messages to them.
My interests waned, I found my self at another forum, made new friends, and then that forum fell apart. But then I gave it another go with a new forum, spoken with some good people (at least two of which I still need to contact) and had some fun and did the usual bull shit. Then that forum died, and I found myself at another, and at this point my interest in the usual bull shit had all but vanished; leaving it with a rant, disappointed and angry over the lack of recognition as a human being trying to do something.
I make an occasional visit to only one forum now, mostly out of boredom but also I like to keep in contact with intelligent people.
The message board and its fellows are an interesting phenomenon.
Where am I now: I've published one book (it was a piece of shit) and have now rectified it with a far greater book that shall be my last printed work. The release will be sometime around this year.
Currently working on a short film and documentary on my father (who was a rogue agent for the CIA) while contemplating the various paths I may take. I figure I'll be either a subversive artist who will starve to death after having made that one personal epic, or a rogue pornographer. Both options suit me.
I do not expect recognition, the usual welcome back response, or the wraith of John Wheatman. I only needed to reply. That is all.
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