plazmaman
(Rotting Corpse)
06/04/06 02:45 PM
Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

On Rob Zombie's MySpace page today, Zombie said the following in his blog.

www.myspace.com/robzombie

"HALLOWEEN

Okay here's the real deal for those of you who are confused. As I said yesterday - I am not making Halloween 9. That series is done, complete, over.

But what I am doing is starting totally from from scratch. This the new HALLOWEEN. Call it a remake, an update, a reimaging or whatever, but one thing that for sure is this is a whole new start... a new begining with no connection to the other series. That is exactly why the project appeals to me. I can take it and run with it.

I talked to John Carpenter about this the other day and he said, "Go for it, Rob. Make it your own". And that's exactly what I intend to do."

New Micheal Myers series? Or something totally different? Who knows! I know I can't wait.


DethMetalAnimal
(Rotting Corpse)
06/05/06 09:20 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

then why call it halloween? i'm interested in seeing this, and am a huge fan of robs directing. that being said, if he's gonna completely start from scratch, then why bother milking the 'halloween' name? couldn't he just start his own original 'slasher' series?

Knifey
(Flesh Eater)
06/06/06 05:35 AM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

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then why call it halloween? i'm interested in seeing this, and am a huge fan of robs directing. that being said, if he's gonna completely start from scratch, then why bother milking the 'halloween' name? couldn't he just start his own original 'slasher' series?




Thats been my thing all along. Any remake/rehash/ retooling, whatever you want to call it, loses points in my book just for using/borrowing the original name and concepts. Even the good ones lose points. For instance the new TCM was actually pretty good (doesnt touch the original of course) But immedialtely after watching it I pondered why they would even call it TCM. Lose the Leatherface guy,or give him a different weapon and mask, and continue to focus on the fucked-upness of R. Lee Ermy's character, who was great. And then when its done, call it something else. It would score higher im my book with an original name.

Movies, like other forms of media, are influenced by other movies. This is nothing new, bad, or abnormal. So why not finish the job and call it something else? and keep the similarities loose and less obvious. I mean they already did most of the work in the TCM remake by taking liberties with some changes( ie. the hitchhiker.)

I dont know. I've turned a corner with remakes and can now at least watch them, but I find that ultimately it still bothers me a little. Especially if its actually good, I'll be in the middle of watching it and repeating to myself that its too bad they didnt "finish the job" and make it completely their own.

As I wrote that last sentece it occured to me. Is it even possible for a remake to ever become a true classic? It seems to me when the decision is initially made to take the remake road this possibility is being voluntarily forfeited.

I loke Halloween. I like Rob Zombie. And of all the people out their I probably trust him the most to do a cool job. But already I'm asking myself what DethMetalAnimal asked. Why call it Halloween? I mean Myers is sometimes looked at as the boogyman, which in itself is not a new concept, nor was it when Halloween came out. Thats part of the brilliance of Halloween. It was the childhood scary myth of the boogyman come to life.
So why not just use the boogyman concept and run with it?

Whats next? Im waiting for the day when it will be commonplace for authors to do remakes of books. Sounds absurd, but to me it is very similar in that both are supposed to be artforms in a manner of speaking.

For that matter, maybe I will do a remake of the Mona Lisa and keep the same name, but I will give her blonde hair and big tits. Just following the trends...


GuywiththeGun
(Living Dead)
06/07/06 04:09 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

"Is it even possible for a remake to ever become a true classic?"

Yes but only on it's OWN merit. Which goes back to your points about why remake something in the first place. I think me and you are very close on this issue.

Take the Omen remake, every review is saying it's like the Pyscho remake in that it's almost shot-for-shot. Well then what exactly does it have going for it? It's nothing. It's almost a shell. It's those kinds of movies that won't become classics, unless it's by some stroke of ignorance by a mainstream public who've never seen the original. And that's doubtful.

Bud sadly it opens to the biggest Tuesday opening ever. That's the sad truth. Hollywood is not the only one to blame. Hollywood does not by movie tickets.


Knifey
(Flesh Eater)
06/08/06 05:52 AM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

Exactly.

And if those who are making these films know that a remake such as the Omen, being essentially shot for shot, resulting in as you perfectly put it, a shell, why would they bother? The answer has to be dollars. And once this becomes obvious, another thing has to become just as obvious. How special and different can this movie be when the the onlt statement the people making it are trying to convey is, "Pay me" ?


And this as a movie fan also offends me. kind of like the creators (and I use that term very loosely, are saying: "Ok folks what we got here is a story I didnt write, if fact didnt even change it much. Same characters, same ending. So really I didnt do anything. Not really making any statements or trying to shake up the movie world with my thoughts and observations. I'm justa guy who wants to make a few bucks. So come see my movie. Its nothing special. I just need to pay the bills."

I'm beginning to rant...I'll shut up now...


Dr Peligro
(Voodoo Master)
06/13/06 12:58 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

A re-imagining of Halloween could have potential, especially if they took the elements in a new direction (i.e. away from the slasher genre). I hope Rob Zombie's excellent Devil's Rejects wasn't just a fluke, and that we won't end up with another p.o.s. like House of 1000 Corpses.

Knifey
(Flesh Eater)
06/17/06 05:16 AM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

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A re-imagining of Halloween could have potential, especially if they took the elements in a new direction (i.e. away from the slasher genre). I hope Rob Zombie's excellent Devil's Rejects wasn't just a fluke, and that we won't end up with another p.o.s. like House of 1000 Corpses.




I completely concur with you regarding House of 1000 corpses sucking, and his Rejects follow-up being tremendously good.


Ginose
(newbie)
06/18/06 12:18 AM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

You 2 are bastards. House of 1000 Corpses was excellent. And I think Mr. Zombie is excellent a re-imaging classics, just look at HOTC and TDR. They were (in my opinion) the best re-images of TCM 1 and 2 that I have ever seen!

Knifey
(Flesh Eater)
06/18/06 05:45 AM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

I was just dissappointed with HOTC. And greatly surprised and impressed with TDR. You're right, too, about the well-done homage of sorts to TCM. And while homages are cool, I love that at least Zombie made them both his own, rather than put the TCM name on them. I wish more film makers would do that rather than slap a proven "brandname" on their product. Thats why I wish Zombie would leave the Halloween franchise alone, make the same film he intends, save for maybe some name changes, and call it something original.

Misfit
(Living Dead)
06/19/06 09:31 AM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

I was reading an interview with him today on BD that says
it is kind of a prequel with some of the first story involved. I don't know what to think about it but I will most likely go see it.


kamikaze_zombie
(Rotting Corpse)
07/22/06 11:59 AM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

Although I am very worried about this one, I will see it on account of the fact that it is directed by Rob Zombie, and that should ensure a Busta Rhymes Kung-fu-less viewing experience. Man I hated that movie, but with Zombie behind the wheel, who knows?

16bmws
(Recently Deceased)
08/21/06 03:57 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

ya know..I dunno if I'm excited about this or just appalled...

brain_eater
(Flesh Eater)
01/15/07 09:05 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

I'm am very excited about the casting desicions. Danielle Harris was an awesome choice to bring back into the series. Also, Malcolm Mcdowell IMHO will make an awesome Michael!

GuywiththeGun
(Living Dead)
01/15/07 10:16 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

It's looking like this thing isn't gonna turn out so well . . I'm sure some of you have heard about the script review.

It'ls still too early to really know, but man, if that script review is right then we have a real piece of shit on our hands . .


ZombiesOn45
(Walking Dead)
01/22/07 04:34 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

Well, the concept of reviewing a script is incredibly stupid, and the guys at AICN are probably the biggest fanboy jerkoffs in the world, but that's a thread for another day. I still have high hopes for this one. Just the fact that there will be no Busta Rhymes is promising enough. And I do firmly believe that Zombie is one of the most talented horror directors around today.

psycotina
(Recently Deceased)
02/07/07 04:59 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

i agree watching zombie's works intrigues me he has a mind of his own and he knows how to use it i am looking forward to seeing it

GuywiththeGun
(Living Dead)
02/12/07 06:37 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

"Well, the concept of reviewing a script is incredibly stupid, and the guys at AICN are probably the biggest fanboy jerkoffs in the world, but that's a thread for another day. I still have high hopes for this one. Just the fact that there will be no Busta Rhymes is promising enough. And I do firmly believe that Zombie is one of the most talented horror directors around today"

Yes but . .

::SPOILERS::

Myers masturbating to dead animals, pissing on corpses, etc. is ridiculous. As is the "oh poor killer had a bad childhood" thing. BORING. As is his escape from the asylum, involving two workers raping a retarted girl in front of Michael. And worst of all: His multiple masks that he wears as his "mood" alters, including a "taking a shit mask." Zombie's going for shock instead of scares, a serious no-no in a Halloween film. I know it's supposed to be a new vision but unless serious changes are made it's going to be a new SHITTY vision. Saying "at least there's no more Busta Rhymes" is starting to get cancelled out.

I hated that Ressurection was a big MTV show but I don't want Halloween to be The Devil's Rejects either. I guess we should have expected it.

Too early to really tell though. Maybe a trailer will prove the internet wrong. (love that the set is getting protestors though . . haha)


Angela
(Corpse)
03/24/07 01:20 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

Ok, your judging too quickly, it may suck and it might rule, we wont know until August. Honestly, I like the idea of making Myers more of a sadistic fuck, like real life killers, such as John Wayne Gacey or Ed Gein, take away the fantsy eliment, and make it hyper sick and real. Better then doing another emotionless walking death machine like all the other Halloweens.

Angela
(Corpse)
03/24/07 01:24 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

secondly, how do we even know it's the real script, it could be a fake sent out to fuck with the fans

EdgarAllen
(Living Dead)
06/20/07 09:52 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

It's just a sad time for me as a JC fan. I love most of his movies and every day there's a new story/rumor that another of his classics will be *remade*. But even beyond that, JC's HALLOWEEN basically gave birth to the modern slasher, I really don't understand the motivation for a remake or reimaging.

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I like the idea of making Myers more of a sadistic fuck, like real life killers, such as John Wayne Gacey or Ed Gein


Apparently that's the direction it's going, especially in the first part of the film. The only things that make this new HALLOWEEN palatable for me at all is the fact that it probably can't be any worse than any of the sequels past part 3. Also, I hear JC gave his blessing to Zombie (although I still disagree with a remake).

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Better then doing another emotionless walking death machine like all the other Halloweens


Well, I think that's basically what's coming to the theater. However, a couple of early screening reviews I've read say RZ's version is not crap, so if your looking forward to this redux, there may be reason to have hope.

Lord_Bellew
(Recently Deceased)
07/26/07 09:42 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

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"Well, the concept of reviewing a script is incredibly stupid, and the guys at AICN are probably the biggest fanboy jerkoffs in the world, but that's a thread for another day. I still have high hopes for this one. Just the fact that there will be no Busta Rhymes is promising enough. And I do firmly believe that Zombie is one of the most talented horror directors around today"

Yes but . .

::SPOILERS::

Myers masturbating to dead animals, pissing on corpses, etc. is ridiculous. As is the "oh poor killer had a bad childhood" thing. BORING. As is his escape from the asylum, involving two workers raping a retarted girl in front of Michael. And worst of all: His multiple masks that he wears as his "mood" alters, including a "taking a shit mask." Zombie's going for shock instead of scares, a serious no-no in a Halloween film. I know it's supposed to be a new vision but unless serious changes are made it's going to be a new SHITTY vision. Saying "at least there's no more Busta Rhymes" is starting to get cancelled out.

I hated that Ressurection was a big MTV show but I don't want Halloween to be The Devil's Rejects either. I guess we should have expected it.

Too early to really tell though. Maybe a trailer will prove the internet wrong. (love that the set is getting protestors though . . haha)





here is the trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtR9Fxz2lng


DoctorMirakle
(Risen from the Grave)
08/18/07 08:59 PM
Re: Rob Zombie to direct a "new" Halloween

1, Why is young Michael played by a girl?
2. What's with the wrestling mask and long hair?
3. The William Shatner mask is now a Leatherface mask?


MojoNexus
(Flesh Eater)
08/22/07 02:43 PM
Five Clips from Zombie's Halloween

http://www.shocktilyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=1135

GuywiththeGun
(Living Dead)
08/29/07 12:50 PM
Re: Five Clips from Zombie's Halloween

I've seen most of this. I have about a half-hour left to go . .

So far, pretty much what I expected. A "Halloween" for the kind of person who thinks The Devil's Rejects is the best horror movie ever. Right now I'd give it a 5 or 6/10. I'll post my complete thoughts in the New in Theaters section when I finish the rest tonight.

Variety's review had it spot-on: "This isn't the last we've seen of Michael Myers. Let's just hope it goes back to the way it was instead of sequalizing this lame beginning."


Misfit
(Living Dead)
08/31/07 07:39 PM
Re: Five Clips from Zombie's Halloween

well, I really liked 1000 corpses, I loved Devils Rejects, but that did not keep me from the reality that Halloween 2007 is a real stinker.


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