plazmaman
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On Rob Zombie's MySpace page today, Zombie said the following in his blog.
www.myspace.com/robzombie
"HALLOWEEN
Okay here's the real deal for those of you who are confused. As I said yesterday - I am not making Halloween 9. That series is done, complete, over.
But what I am doing is starting totally from from scratch. This the new HALLOWEEN. Call it a remake, an update, a reimaging or whatever, but one thing that for sure is this is a whole new start... a new begining with no connection to the other series. That is exactly why the project appeals to me. I can take it and run with it.
I talked to John Carpenter about this the other day and he said, "Go for it, Rob. Make it your own". And that's exactly what I intend to do."
New Micheal Myers series? Or something totally different? Who knows! I know I can't wait.
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DethMetalAnimal
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then why call it halloween? i'm interested in seeing this, and am a huge fan of robs directing. that being said, if he's gonna completely start from scratch, then why bother milking the 'halloween' name? couldn't he just start his own original 'slasher' series?
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Knifey
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then why call it halloween? i'm interested in seeing this, and am a huge fan of robs directing. that being said, if he's gonna completely start from scratch, then why bother milking the 'halloween' name? couldn't he just start his own original 'slasher' series?
Thats been my thing all along. Any remake/rehash/ retooling, whatever you want to call it, loses points in my book just for using/borrowing the original name and concepts. Even the good ones lose points. For instance the new TCM was actually pretty good (doesnt touch the original of course) But immedialtely after watching it I pondered why they would even call it TCM. Lose the Leatherface guy,or give him a different weapon and mask, and continue to focus on the fucked-upness of R. Lee Ermy's character, who was great. And then when its done, call it something else. It would score higher im my book with an original name.
Movies, like other forms of media, are influenced by other movies. This is nothing new, bad, or abnormal. So why not finish the job and call it something else? and keep the similarities loose and less obvious. I mean they already did most of the work in the TCM remake by taking liberties with some changes( ie. the hitchhiker.)
I dont know. I've turned a corner with remakes and can now at least watch them, but I find that ultimately it still bothers me a little. Especially if its actually good, I'll be in the middle of watching it and repeating to myself that its too bad they didnt "finish the job" and make it completely their own.
As I wrote that last sentece it occured to me. Is it even possible for a remake to ever become a true classic? It seems to me when the decision is initially made to take the remake road this possibility is being voluntarily forfeited.
I loke Halloween. I like Rob Zombie. And of all the people out their I probably trust him the most to do a cool job. But already I'm asking myself what DethMetalAnimal asked. Why call it Halloween? I mean Myers is sometimes looked at as the boogyman, which in itself is not a new concept, nor was it when Halloween came out. Thats part of the brilliance of Halloween. It was the childhood scary myth of the boogyman come to life.
So why not just use the boogyman concept and run with it?
Whats next? Im waiting for the day when it will be commonplace for authors to do remakes of books. Sounds absurd, but to me it is very similar in that both are supposed to be artforms in a manner of speaking.
For that matter, maybe I will do a remake of the Mona Lisa and keep the same name, but I will give her blonde hair and big tits. Just following the trends...
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GuywiththeGun
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"Is it even possible for a remake to ever become a true classic?"
Yes but only on it's OWN merit. Which goes back to your points about why remake something in the first place. I think me and you are very close on this issue.
Take the Omen remake, every review is saying it's like the Pyscho remake in that it's almost shot-for-shot. Well then what exactly does it have going for it? It's nothing. It's almost a shell. It's those kinds of movies that won't become classics, unless it's by some stroke of ignorance by a mainstream public who've never seen the original. And that's doubtful.
Bud sadly it opens to the biggest Tuesday opening ever. That's the sad truth. Hollywood is not the only one to blame. Hollywood does not by movie tickets.
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Knifey
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Exactly.
And if those who are making these films know that a remake such as the Omen, being essentially shot for shot, resulting in as you perfectly put it, a shell, why would they bother? The answer has to be dollars. And once this becomes obvious, another thing has to become just as obvious. How special and different can this movie be when the the onlt statement the people making it are trying to convey is, "Pay me" ?
And this as a movie fan also offends me. kind of like the creators (and I use that term very loosely, are saying: "Ok folks what we got here is a story I didnt write, if fact didnt even change it much. Same characters, same ending. So really I didnt do anything. Not really making any statements or trying to shake up the movie world with my thoughts and observations. I'm justa guy who wants to make a few bucks. So come see my movie. Its nothing special. I just need to pay the bills."
I'm beginning to rant...I'll shut up now...
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Dr Peligro
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A re-imagining of Halloween could have potential, especially if they took the elements in a new direction (i.e. away from the slasher genre). I hope Rob Zombie's excellent Devil's Rejects wasn't just a fluke, and that we won't end up with another p.o.s. like House of 1000 Corpses.
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Knifey
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A re-imagining of Halloween could have potential, especially if they took the elements in a new direction (i.e. away from the slasher genre). I hope Rob Zombie's excellent Devil's Rejects wasn't just a fluke, and that we won't end up with another p.o.s. like House of 1000 Corpses.
I completely concur with you regarding House of 1000 corpses sucking, and his Rejects follow-up being tremendously good.
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Ginose
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You 2 are bastards. House of 1000 Corpses was excellent. And I think Mr. Zombie is excellent a re-imaging classics, just look at HOTC and TDR. They were (in my opinion) the best re-images of TCM 1 and 2 that I have ever seen!
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Knifey
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I was just dissappointed with HOTC. And greatly surprised and impressed with TDR. You're right, too, about the well-done homage of sorts to TCM. And while homages are cool, I love that at least Zombie made them both his own, rather than put the TCM name on them. I wish more film makers would do that rather than slap a proven "brandname" on their product. Thats why I wish Zombie would leave the Halloween franchise alone, make the same film he intends, save for maybe some name changes, and call it something original.
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Misfit
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I was reading an interview with him today on BD that says
it is kind of a prequel with some of the first story involved. I don't know what to think about it but I will most likely go see it.
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kamikaze_zombie
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Although I am very worried about this one, I will see it on account of the fact that it is directed by Rob Zombie, and that should ensure a Busta Rhymes Kung-fu-less viewing experience. Man I hated that movie, but with Zombie behind the wheel, who knows?
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16bmws
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ya know..I dunno if I'm excited about this or just appalled...
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brain_eater
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I'm am very excited about the casting desicions. Danielle Harris was an awesome choice to bring back into the series. Also, Malcolm Mcdowell IMHO will make an awesome Michael!
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