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Slayer_McKill
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Quantum of Solace
      #139985 - 11/14/08 09:06 PM

So I just got back from seeing this and I have to say that I was incredibly disappointed. I don't want to give any spoilers and I'm going to refrain from giving an in-depth review until after I've had more time to digest the film but I will say that I found it to be, quite potentially, the worst Bond movie ever.

I say this because I've been a long time fan of the series and even though there have been some stinkers, I've enjoyed watching each of them at least a couple times. Quantum of Solace however is the first I could do without seeing again. My expectations were admittedly high since I loved Casino Royale but this latest Bond installment just had none of the elements that make a good Bond flick. The plot was boring, the cinematography was a mess, there were far too many Jason Bourne-esque action scenes and they played out like an ADD music video, making it near impossible to tell just what the hell was going on.

My advice would be to avoid this movie entirely unless you like watching 45 minutes of incomprehensible action sequences with an hour of bland spacers inbetween.

Edited by Slayer_McKill (11/14/08 09:09 PM)


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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: Slayer_McKill]
      #139987 - 11/14/08 10:22 PM

Dude, you're breaking my heart. I have the say the modern Bond movies don't do much for me but I thought Casino Royale was the first awesome 007 film made since Connery and Moore (the last Bronson effort wasn't too bad I suppose). Based on the previews I did feel like the plot was dangerously close to the awful License to Kill. However, I've still been looking forward to seeing this. Truly I hope it's not as bad as you say.

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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: EdgarAllen]
      #139988 - 11/15/08 06:17 AM

Wow, this is the first negative thing I've heard about it... I've not seen it yet but all of those reporting to me loved it.

they did say it's a lot more focused on action than other bond movies, but that the action is well done and a lot of fun.


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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: Misfit]
      #139991 - 11/15/08 12:58 PM

These newer Bond movies that play like a standard action flix really don't capture the essence of the earlier films. The Dalton or Brosnan film where Bond hops in the tank and destroys everything in site for example.

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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: EdgarAllen]
      #139992 - 11/15/08 02:13 PM

I liked it. It's actually one of those movies that seems to be growing more and more on me after the fact. It isn't without fault though.

My biggest complaint with the film is as mentioned, the action. Most of it is cut in a way that's incomprehensible, like the Bourne films (a series I honestly didn't care for in the slightest). And there's TOO many damn action scenes with TOO little of them being memorable. With the exception of the scaffolding scene at the beginning and the hotel at the end, none of it really stood out. One of the Bond films' greatest strengths were their build-up to an action set piece, where here they're just thrown in every ten minutes.

However, I can forgive all of that. I think those aspects worked for this outing. Craig is still awesome as Bond, granted he wasn't given much to do except beat up people. But that's exactly what this entry called for. A Bond less suave and more brutal, so in that aspect I can whole heartedly forgive it for that. There still were a few choice moments for him, like my favorite scene at that opera where he crashes the conference call.

It's growing on me the more I think of it. My best advice, go into this film viewing it as a continuation to CASINO ROYALE, as if that movie never ended. Because it does fail as a stand alone Bond film. However, I did enjoy it, and eagerly look forward to the next film. But if the next film is like QUANTUM OF SOLACE, I won't be as forgiving.

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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: Psycho]
      #140022 - 11/17/08 05:57 AM

Finally caught it last night, I really liked it, the plot was awesome and it kind of creeped me out as I've been talking a lot about the messed up shit behind the "Pickens Plan" and this plot was so close to it (just with some genocide thrown in) that is was kind of creepy...

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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: Misfit]
      #140028 - 11/17/08 12:26 PM

I wrote a nice in-depth review but then my internet died and it all went away so this will be a slightly abridged version


***POTENTIAL SPOILERS***


After a few days of thinking about it, I'd have to say that my biggest complaint with Quantum were the action scenes. Looking past the fact that James Bond isn't supposed to be an action hero, all the action sequences were cut in such a way as to make them blurry and almost incomprehensible. I mean it was bad enough that the camera would cut to a different angle every 4-5 seconds while Bond was having a conversation with someone but on all the chase or fighting scenes the shots were cut every 1-2 seconds. There just wasn't nearly enough time to take things in before you were shown something dramatically different. It almost looked like I was watching a slideshow; bad guys shooting at Bond, close-up on Bond's face, back to bad guys shooting at Bond, close-up of Bond as he turns a wheel, bad guys explode.

That's not really even that much of an exaggeration. During the plance chase Bond is being shot at by a fighter plane, he turns the wheel a little, and now all of a sudden the fighter plane is underneart him. Next thing you know he turns the wheel again and suddenly the fighter plane crashes into a mountain. Me and everyone I was sitting next to were all wondering "how the hell did that happen?!"

I also found it kind of funny that while Craig was trying to make a more realistic, vulnerable Bond, the action scenes made him look like superman. In Casino Royale, he got cut with a machete, shot with a nail gun, nearly died from poison, and was captured and tortured. He barely survived these encounters and even had to be saved by someone else in many of them. In Quantum, he's taking out fighter planes and helicopters with a junker of a cargo ship, blowing up speed boats left and right, and killing dozens of other people with ease. Not since Rambo have I seen someone score such a high body count in such a diverse number of ways.

Gone is the wit and charm of Bond as well. When he bedded that one girl for example, the extent of his seduction was basically "come into the bedroom and have sex with me." Craig is definitely one of the best at being Bond so it's a shame that he was barely given anything to work with.

My other big bone of contention is with the overall plot. While they had an interesting idea and could have done a lot with it, the finished product just felt kind of dull. We're exposed to this super-secret organization that is trying to control the world and their dastardly plot is to charge the Bolivian people double what they're currently paying for water? Oh no! When I saw the first previews with Greene talking about the most valuable resource in the world I thought that they had discovered some sort of super valuable and rare material that could be used to unbalance the world. But no...it was good old H2O all along.


One final point I would like to make is that if you yourself saw Quantum and liked it, more power to you. I've liked plenty of movies that other people didn't so to each their own. If it wasn't for varying movie tastes we'd have an extremely dull world of cinema


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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: Slayer_McKill]
      #140029 - 11/17/08 12:37 PM

There is not a single point you make that is not valid...

but that being said, it was still just fun..I hope the director never works again, but I enjoyed the plot and the characters.

and IMO, hottest bond girl ever.


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Slayer_McKill
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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: Misfit]
      #140030 - 11/17/08 12:42 PM

Haha, agreed. That girl was all kinds of fine

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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: Slayer_McKill]
      #140041 - 11/18/08 03:34 AM

Thought it was pretty solid. I generally liked the plot a helluva lot more than I thought I would. Craig's Bond is way over and above most of the 007 films they've made in the past 20 years.
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Gone is the wit and charm of Bond as well. When he bedded that one girl for example, the extent of his seduction was basically "come into the bedroom and have sex with me." Craig is definitely one of the best at being Bond so it's a shame that he was barely given anything to work with.


That is far and away my biggest complaint too. They had a much, much better hold on this in Casino.

*Minor Spoilers*



Additionally agree that some of the action scenes could have been cut better. The fight scene with Mitchell on the scaffolding looked exactly like the end of Casino Royale only it was harder to follow the action. And when I thought for a moment they killed M, I admit I got a little excited. I'm OK with Judi Dench, but it makes be a bit queasy when she tells Bond to keep it in his pants versus a fatherly-type M figure. There's something missing there. Sorry Dench.

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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: EdgarAllen]
      #140062 - 11/18/08 10:26 PM

Sheer curiosity, am I the only one that doesn't seem to mind that absence of Bond's gadgets? The main complaint I hear from the general public is that they didn't like it cause it had no gadgets. I personally don't care if they ever bring back the gadgets! Who's with me!?!

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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: Psycho]
      #140066 - 11/19/08 06:32 AM

Yea I never thought about the gadgets..

the only thing my wife said to me when we were leaving the theatre was "how come he didn't sleep with the girl?"


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Re: Quantum of Solace [Re: Slayer_McKill]
      #140134 - 11/22/08 12:08 PM

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I will say that I found it to be, quite potentially, the worst Bond movie ever.





Dude, IMO No way does it hold that title. Quantum was no classic but it was much better then the likes of

Die Another Day (WORST EVER)
The World is not Enough
Licence to Kill
The Living Daylights
A View to a Kill
Moonraker
Dimonds are Forever


However Quantum was a big letdown. I really feel it will be a better film on home video when you can watch it right after Casino Royale. Since the film is just a continuation in every way it just feels incomplete and shallow. But if I look at it as one long film I think it feels more like a more complete and satisfying film.

But I agree that the action scenes were too hard to follow. However I really enjoyed the Opera House scene. And as a stand alone film it was very hollow.


I would put it somewhere in the middle of all the Bond films. Not as good as the Bond Classics

Dr. No
From Russia with Love
Goldfinger
Thunderball
OHMSS
The Spy Who Loved Me
GoldenEye
Casino Royale

And not as bad as the films I mentioned earlier but about as good as the rest. It was a Solid 3 star out of 5 Bond film.


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